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Offline Gymi

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Re: Newtronics ignition YAM3
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2013, 08:36:03 PM »
TX/XS500 members get a 15% discount on the kit if they use the member discount area.

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Re: Newtronics ignition YAM3
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2013, 08:36:31 PM »
Discount sounds good, but I don't know if any more are available.

I wanted to get one and have contacted Newtronics several times via email with no reply.

Looks like also their eBay store hasn't had any listed since the sale in Feb/March 2012.

Does any one know if they are going to be selling these again?


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Re: Newtronics ignition YAM3
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2013, 08:36:59 PM »
They have seven availible right now. Just click the newtronics box in the member discounts

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Re: Newtronics ignition YAM3
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2013, 08:37:33 PM »
6 available as I have just bought a second one. I put the link to them above???

Even with the design weakness of the rotor assembly (easily fixed), the Newtronic is a good solution. Not too many dual circuit, 90 degree offset pickup systems out there to be too fussy....

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Re: Newtronics ignition YAM3
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2013, 08:37:58 PM »
Thanks for letting me know they were available again. I just bought one to now.
Hopefully they apply the discount too.

Not sure why they never replied to my emails though, I thought they would of told me they just listed them again so they could get another sale.


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Re: Newtronics ignition YAM3
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2013, 08:38:17 PM »
It is rare that they communicate.

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Re: Newtronics ignition YAM3
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2013, 08:38:41 PM »
Bonus,

Just received the club discount.

Thanks to who ever set up the deal.


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Re: Newtronics ignition YAM3
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2013, 08:39:06 PM »
Just received my kit from this latest batch, and the rotor is still assembled as poorly as my photos above of my first kit.....

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Re: Newtronics ignition YAM3
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2013, 08:39:31 PM »
Funny, I just had this same failure and was on my way here to give a shout to others who bought.

I have just sent an email to Newtronics with a photo, but doubt anything will come of it. I'll most likely try and do what jimmer did and re-weld/re-install. Little scary though as I am not a great welder...we'll see.

Very frustrating that I payed out 200 bucks for something that failed after a week of easy riding.

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Re: Newtronics ignition YAM3
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2013, 08:40:16 PM »
I have sent a email Pamco Pete to see if is willing to make an alternative kit for the TX/XS500 like he does for the XS650. Here is his web page, it has his email address on it. Maybe if enough of us show interest he will make a kit for our bikes.

http://www.yamahaxs650.com/

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Re: Newtronics ignition YAM3
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2013, 08:40:59 PM »
Thanks for the image help Gymi.

I would love to get one from Pete as I've heard awesome things about the xs650 CDI he makes. But, If I end up getting this Newtronics one to work, then I'll (hopefully) need another. I guess it depends on price though =P


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Re: Newtronics ignition YAM3
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2013, 08:41:31 PM »
Pamco is a hall- effect system. I contacted Pamco Pete some time ago regarding a solution for the TX/XS500?

At the time he had just released a version of his XS650 unit to cater for the re-phased 650 engines. Once modded from a straight 360 twin, these engines need the 2 pickups of course.

He pointed me here:-

http://www.cb450ignition.com/

but never went into any detail of whether the backplate or rotor would fit. The CB450/500 is a 180 twin with pickups at 90 degrees on the cam though.

I hope you can get him to do a XS500 version- as the Pamco system is vey good!

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Re: Newtronics ignition YAM3
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2013, 08:44:57 PM »
PamcoPete needs to be convinced if he is to take on our project. He has been burned before and is wary of committing to a endeavor like this unless he is sure he will be able to turn a profit on it. I for one can say, I really don't blame him. I would not want to go through all the hassle of making up some thing like this unless it was worth my while.

Here is is response to me:

"I had a quick look at your forum. The bike that comes up when the site opens is very impressive.

I have developed a number of systems for '70's Japanese bikes and most were successful, but I have been led down the garden path a couple of times as well, most recently for the Suzuki GS series. I developed a system for that series and sold just 2 systems, so I am a little leery of developing a system that does not have the potential for at least 200 units in the first year and perhaps 500 in the second year.

My most successful product was for the Yamaha XS650. That bike enjoys the advantage of excellent parts availability and as a result there are still 1,000 's on the road world wide.

So, what can you tell me about the TX/XS500 that would lead me to believe I could sell 200 units in the first year? By the way, I have had numerous inquires about a system for that model, so I would like to develop a system for it. Just tell me why I should?"

I could tell him I would buy one, but that's not going to pay his bills. Unless we have a convincing argument for him to develop a system for the TX/XS500 we are shit out of luck on this one. The only thing I can think of is all who would like one of his ignitions, pony up a $20.00 deposit towards the purchase of one of his units. That is the only way I could be convinced to develop a product for our bikes is if we vote with our dollars. I will pass this by him, but realistically I can't see him going down this route either. If he doesn't get enough interest, he could spend quite a bit of time refunding deposits.Or if people were really serious about buying his ignition system, put up an non-refundable deposit. This is about the only way I can come up with to convince Pete to take on our project, vote with our dollars. If any one has a convincing argument for Pete, let's hear it and maybe will will get a reliable ignition system out of it.

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Re: Newtronics ignition YAM3
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2013, 08:45:27 PM »
Deposits or not, Pamco Pete (gotta love that name!) is not going to sell 200 units a year- never mind 500. As soon as you have to persuade a supplier to supply- if there was a market it would already have happened.

But all is not lost surely.

If Pamco Pete can shift a kit of parts he has already developed and has in stock then we can do the rest.

He already has the electronics box for a dual pickup system for a 180 twin- the CB450/500. He already has the dual pickups themselves. He already has a mag rotor with the magnets at 90 degrees.

Mounting the pickups to a TX/Xs points plate would be easy- everybody has one already! For the rotor I was already wondering if the bore/keyway or whatever for the XS650 was the same as the TX/XS- same manufacturer, same era parts bin bikes remember? Or even supply the rotor unbored and let us do it.

If Pamco Pete can supply some dimensions for both his XS650 and CB450/500 plates and rotor bores- then checking these against the TX/XS parts may show a way forward that does not require Mr Pete to do any development at all...

I had already thought about buying the CB450/500 kit and seeing what needed to be done to convert it.

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Re: Newtronics ignition YAM3
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2013, 08:46:48 PM »
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Deposits or not, Pamco Pete (gotta love that name!) is not going to sell 200 units a year- never mind 500. As soon as you have to persuade a supplier to supply- if there was a market it would already have happened.


I totally agree, while he has had a number of inquiries, they must have not have been anywhere close to the numbers he describes in the sales potentials he needs to produce these units.

Electronics have never been my strong suit, but it seems to me the route crouchyuk is describing is probably the best option if we are to come up with a reliable electronic ignition for our bikes.

This is what this forum is here for, we may as well get all of our electronic gurus together and find the best solution to this problem. If anybody has anything to add to crouchyuks idea, feel free to toss your hat in the ring.

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